[Fascinated]

You can talk all day about “agreeing on the terms beforehand,” but the bigger issue is transparency. Nowhere on the site does it clearly say that a model is working with an operator.

I know about it, but a new user might have no idea there’s another person behind the account. From a basic human and ethical standpoint, the site should disclose that upfront so customers know who they’re actually dealing with.

And the whole “bad review, ban, or maybe you’ll get your tokens back” thing is pretty shaky. Models can just open new accounts, and there’s no guarantee the customer gets their tokens back. In practice, customers have very little protection.

Meanwhile, an operator could promise pretty much anything and ask for any amount of tokens, while the customer may not even know whether the model herself is aware of what’s being promised in her name.

I actually agree with you on all that. The sites (Chaturbate, Stripchat and the rest) are complicit in perpetuating the illusion that the models are alone at home and want to take their clothes off for foreigners. The sites are also very aware that the studios are often acting in contravention of their local laws (e.g. the Russian bans on streaming live porn, tax evasion, and/or using cryptocurrencies).

It would be a lovely world if your favourite camgirls were streamed "ethically" and CB customers had transparency about who they were dealing with, so that they could make informed decisions while following a doctrine of conscious consumption. But Chaturbate and Stripchat aren't ethical companies, at least not according to my personal morals. They have working relationships with elements of the Russian, Columbian, and Chinese mafia. When you deposit on CB, you're obviously not gonna be told that your dollars/euros will be converted to crypto and sent to a bunch of draft-dodging criminals in Krasnodar, Barnaul, or Thailand. You're certainly not gonna be told that the studio bosses (and Chaturbate staff, for that matter) think you're a loser. (Gambling sites are similar. Their employees know their mortgages are effectively being paid by whales with addictions they can't break. They are laughing all the way to the bank, just like the models who get tipped 3000 tokens a day by a moderator who thinks she really likes him).

If you want to be ethical, and don't want to get scammed, just don't give streaming sites or the dodgy studios any money. The whole industry, like most others, is based on bullshit. In this case, the purpose is to transfer money from horny men with money and a lack of self-control to people with slightly different needs, like paying for rent and food or a college education, or buying a villa with a swimming pool. Everyone who works in the industry wants to get paid for doing the least amount of work. That's human nature. It's up to you to decide if you want to contribute to the whole sham. And if you do deposit money, keep your wits about you and look out for the pitfalls.

Complaining about individual models in a thread like this is kind of pointless though. The whole industry is rotten to the core and the models themselves are more commonly the victims of scams, not the direct cause of your problems. By all means warn forum viewers if a model/studio lied or tried to scam you, but I wouldn't expect the industry to adapt to your personal ethical needs. It's porn, for fuck's sake!

[username:]

You can talk all day about “agreeing on the terms beforehand,” but the bigger issue is transparency. Nowhere on the site does it clearly say that a model is working with an operator.

I know about it, but a new user might have no idea there’s another person behind the account. From a basic human and ethical standpoint, the site should disclose that upfront so customers know who they’re actually dealing with.

And the whole “bad review, ban, or maybe you’ll get your tokens back” thing is pretty shaky. Models can just open new accounts, and there’s no guarantee the customer gets their tokens back. In practice, customers have very little protection.

Meanwhile, an operator could promise pretty much anything and ask for any amount of tokens, while the customer may not even know whether the model herself is aware of what’s being promised in her name.

I actually agree with you on all that. The sites (Chaturbate, Stripchat and the rest) are complicit in perpetuating the illusion that the models are alone at home and want to take their clothes off for foreigners. The sites are also very aware that the studios are often acting in contravention of their local laws (e.g. the Russian bans on streaming live porn, tax evasion, and/or using cryptocurrencies).

It would be a lovely world if your favourite camgirls were streamed "ethically" and CB customers had transparency about who they were dealing with, so that they could make informed decisions while following a doctrine of conscious consumption. But Chaturbate and Stripchat aren't ethical companies, at least not according to my personal morals. They have working relationships with elements of the Russian, Columbian, and Chinese mafia. When you deposit on CB, you're obviously not gonna be told that your dollars/euros will be converted to crypto and sent to a bunch of draft-dodging criminals in Krasnodar, Barnaul, or Thailand. You're certainly not gonna be told that the studio bosses (and Chaturbate staff, for that matter) think you're a loser. (Gambling sites are similar. Their employees know their mortgages are effectively being paid by whales with addictions they can't break. They are laughing all the way to the bank, just like the models who get tipped 3000 tokens a day by a moderator who thinks she really likes him).

If you want to be ethical, and don't want to get scammed, just don't give streaming sites or the dodgy studios any money. The whole industry, like most others, is based on bullshit. In this case, the purpose is to transfer money from horny men with money and a lack of self-control to people with slightly different needs, like paying for rent and food or a college education, or buying a villa with a swimming pool. Everyone who works in the industry wants to get paid for doing the least amount of work. That's human nature. It's up to you to decide if you want to contribute to the whole sham. And if you do deposit money, keep your wits about you and look out for the pitfalls.

Complaining about individual models in a thread like this is kind of pointless though. The whole industry is rotten to the core and the models themselves are more commonly the victims of scams, not the direct cause of your problems. By all means warn forum viewers if a model/studio lied or tried to scam you, but I wouldn't expect the industry to adapt to your personal ethical needs. It's porn, for fuck's sake!

Imagine bringing the Russian mafia, draft-dodgers, and global crypto conspiracies into a thread just because a brand new girl wouldn't get naked for 1,000 tokens. It’s not that deep. You guys are writing whole geopolitical essays to justify why you're mad at a webcam screen. At least you admitted at the end that crying about individual models is pointless. Real spenders don't need a lecture on 'conscious consumption'—we look at the menu, we pay for exclusive Pvts, and we move on. If you're this terrified of the big bad internet, just stick to Netflix.

[Middling]

Of course, another option is find models who are independent and are not in studios. What's less convenient is that I find independent models usually don't have posted schedules and strict routines. Those that I have found and regularly enjoy seem to have no trouble following their posted menus.

[Dastiny34]

Imagine bringing the Russian mafia, draft-dodgers, and global crypto conspiracies into a thread just because a brand new girl wouldn't get naked for 1,000 tokens. It’s not that deep. You guys are writing whole geopolitical essays to justify why you're mad at a webcam screen. At least you admitted at the end that crying about individual models is pointless. Real spenders don't need a lecture on 'conscious consumption'—we look at the menu, we pay for exclusive Pvts, and we move on. If you're this terrified of the big bad internet, just stick to Netflix.

You are delusional if you think it doesn't exist
Tvoyyyyy go a little too far sometimes, but a lot of stuffs he is saying, i saw it myself or heard it from models.

[Tvoyyyyy]

https://stripchat.com/White__SunnyLove

https://chaturbate.com/ohhmylittlelove/

New

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[Tvoyyyyy]

https://chaturbate.com/yasukojohnsey

https://stripchat.com/KailaGarofolo

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There's no mention of her on the forum. A new, beautiful girl, but like the previous one, she runs around in towels in privates.

OK continues to scam. Is it possible to collect tokens if anyone didn't know? Official response from SC support.



So, there's no need to say "I'm looking for another model" or anything like that. I write reviews, just like you do on Google or similar platforms. There are scammers in every field.

[LaPouleQuiRoule]

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If this is true, probably half of all exclusive privates on SC would be eligible for refunding.

[Tvoyyyyy]

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If this is true, probably half of all exclusive privates on SC would be eligible for refunding.

This is the official response to my email. But most likely, few people know about this, and few would ask for their tokens back (viewing it as humiliating, perhaps). If scammers constantly had their tokens taken away, I think they would stop doing it. Since they keep doing it, it implies that not many people are aware that a refund is possible.

[Tvoyyyyy]

https://chaturbate.com/kaciegupton

https://stripchat.com/saykilife

New

[Tvoyyyyy]

https://chaturbate.com/blondie_ink

https://stripchat.com/blondie_ink

New





A lovely young woman—even the tattoos look harmonious somehow.

[Tvoyyyyy]

https://stripchat.com/ManiacProffer

https://chaturbate.com/dongbaumgarner

100% Russian scam

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She won't even get off the couch in Private

The model opened a new account. There are no longer any negative reviews—this is a new phase of the scam.

https://stripchat.com/FayeSeiple

[Justpassingthrough]

https://stripchat.com/ManiacProffer

https://chaturbate.com/dongbaumgarner

100% Russian scam

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She won't even get off the couch in Private

The model opened a new account. There are no longer any negative reviews—this is a new phase of the scam.

https://stripchat.com/FayeSeiple

i'm surprised there is photo of her not looking at her phone

[Tvoyyyyy]

https://stripchat.com/YourFavoriteAfroditaa.



A serial scammer with a new account; previous ones were deleted due to poor ratings and reviews. Her signature move is showing her bare back and constantly tugging at her top.

[majesticluvvr]

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If this is true, probably half of all exclusive privates on SC would be eligible for refunding.

Love that because studios should not be asking you to pay extra in a exclusive private after things have already been agreed on

[Milch]

https://chaturbate.com/yasukojohnsey

https://stripchat.com/KailaGarofolo

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There's no mention of her on the forum. A new, beautiful girl, but like the previous one, she runs around in towels in privates.

OK continues to scam. Is it possible to collect tokens if anyone didn't know? Official response from SC support.

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So, there's no need to say "I'm looking for another model" or anything like that. I write reviews, just like you do on Google or similar platforms. There are scammers in every field.

That is amazing.
How do contact the support team for these kind of matters?

[Tvoyyyyy]

https://chaturbate.com/yasukojohnsey

https://stripchat.com/KailaGarofolo

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There's no mention of her on the forum. A new, beautiful girl, but like the previous one, she runs around in towels in privates.

OK continues to scam. Is it possible to collect tokens if anyone didn't know? Official response from SC support.

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So, there's no need to say "I'm looking for another model" or anything like that. I write reviews, just like you do on Google or similar platforms. There are scammers in every field.

That is amazing.
How do contact the support team for these kind of matters?

[email protected] I send all my questions to them at this email address.

Surprisingly, their support is very fast; they respond promptly, and if you give a poor rating for a response, a supervisor gets in touch to find out what the problem is.

[Tvoyyyyy]

https://stripchat.com/ChantelDoyen

New is cute and beautiful, but it’s been three days and she just stands there during private shows. The studio is supposedly known for "quick" topless action.

[Tvoyyyyy]

https://stripchat.com/DarkLLove

New

[Tvoyyyyy]

Another important point that is often overlooked—and this is precisely what scammers take advantage of.

[LaPouleQuiRoule]

Another important point that is often overlooked—and this is precisely what scammers take advantage of.

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This contradicts with your earlier quote in #186 So which is correct?

[Antaniblindalasu]

Ok let's take the 100% non-nude TamraCotner to private and then ask for a glory-hole bukkake gangbang with double penetration and creampie, facial and swallow

That is all in her private description without additional charges

[the_barbenheimer]

Ok let's take the 100% non-nude TamraCotner to private and then ask for a glory-hole bukkake gangbang with double penetration and creampie, facial and swallow

That is all in her private description without additional charges

False advertising and misleading marketing in the European Union are strictly regulated through a harmonized framework designed to protect consumers and fair-trading businesses.
And Stripchat is based in Cyprus EU, so if enough people decide they can slap them with a lawsuit for false advertising.

[LaPouleQuiRoule]

Ok let's take the 100% non-nude TamraCotner to private and then ask for a glory-hole bukkake gangbang with double penetration and creampie, facial and swallow

That is all in her private description without additional charges

False advertising and misleading marketing in the European Union are strictly regulated through a harmonized framework designed to protect consumers and fair-trading businesses.
And Stripchat is based in Cyprus EU, so if enough people decide they can slap them with a lawsuit for false advertising.

Yeah, I see it happen...

Well your honour, all I did was

... ask for a glory-hole bukkake gangbang with double penetration and creampie, facial and swallow

and the defendant refused!

[Antaniblindalasu]

Ok let's take the 100% non-nude TamraCotner to private and then ask for a glory-hole bukkake gangbang with double penetration and creampie, facial and swallow

That is all in her private description without additional charges

False advertising and misleading marketing in the European Union are strictly regulated through a harmonized framework designed to protect consumers and fair-trading businesses.
And Stripchat is based in Cyprus EU, so if enough people decide they can slap them with a lawsuit for false advertising.

I think this is exactly why in the Terms and Conditions (which are the legally binding agreement between user and website) they write that tips are given for free and the model can in any moment refuse to do something.

So that if someone really decides to bring the case to a judge, they can simply point to the fact that you accepted the rules.

[Tvoyyyyy]

Another important point that is often overlooked—and this is precisely what scammers take advantage of.

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This contradicts with your earlier quote in #186 So which is correct?

If an item is already listed as a menu service, the second answer indicates that it must be performed at no extra charge.

However, if it involves an additional action not found on the menu, the model may set an extra price for it in advance—and this must be explicitly agreed upon before the private session begins.